Take the Trash Out with Devin Wall — Fourth of the Six-Part Series Finale

Sponsored By: Louvers International With Devin Wall 12/10/25 – Devin Wall — Fourth of the Six-Part Series Finale In this episode, Michael and Greg sit down with Devin Wall, one of the inventive forces behind Louvers International, to unpack the infamous DLC report and the future of lighting standards. 🔥 Highlights: ⚡ This isn’t just another … Read more

Special Episode – The DLC: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing?

With Michael & Greg 10/3/25 – Special Episode with Michael & Greg Is the DLC a wolf in sheep’s clothing? Michael and Greg lay it out. The live stream experienced some technical difficulties, so here it is in full. Your Resources – National Association of Innovative Lighting Distributors (NAILD)– Connect with Greg on LinkedIn– Connect with Michael … Read more

#422 DLC Core Values

With Michael & Greg 9/29/25 – Lighting Episode 422 – Michael & Greg 🔥 Buckle up for a bold ride through the lighting industry! Mike & Greg give you a brief recap of the NAILD Convention, and challenge the DLC to display their transparency values by inviting them and D+R to speak up on the … Read more

#419 Journalism, DLC, IES and Industry Reform

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Sponsored By: Halco Lighting With Al Uszynski 9/11/25 – Lighting Episode 419 – Al Uszynski In this episode of Get a Grip on Lighting, we welcome back Al Uszynski—founder of Inside Lighting (inside.lighting) and one of the most respected voices in lighting journalism—for a deep dive into the evolving landscape of the lighting industry. 📰 … Read more

#417 DLC – Please Stop Tinkering

Sponsored By: Keystone Technologies With Michael & Greg 9/3/25 – Lighting Episode 417 (Full Version) – Michael & Greg 16:06 In this fiery and insightful episode of Get a Grip on Lighting, hosts Michael and Greg dive deep into the DLC’s 501 (c) 3 charitable activities like product labelling in the lighting industry.  Pulling no … Read more

#401 Product Labeling and the “Deep State”

With Devin Wall 4/30/25 – Lighting Episode 401 – Devin Wall In this explosive discussion, Devin Wall returns to break down the deep-state influence in the lighting industry—focusing on tariffs, accreditation agencies, and the power dynamics shaping the market.   🔦 Key Topics Covered:   – Why Devin supports tariffs & U.S.-based manufacturing  – The real role … Read more

#257 Checking the Boxes with the Walls

Sponsored By: NAILD With Derek & Devin Wall 5/23/22 – Lighting Episode 257 (Full Version) – Derek & Devin Wall 45:50 Derek and Devin give us a unique inside look at the life of a small lighting manufacturer. They give us their perspectives on the DLC and accreditation agencies in general, and what a pain … Read more

Dark Sky Special March: Redefining Waste

Sponsored By: Keystone With Jane Slade 3/24/2021- Dark Sky Special March(Full Version) – Jane Slade 27:02 Our dark sky series has spun off into Starving for Darkness, but that doesn’t mean we won’t be checking in with Michael and Jane periodically to discuss what is going on with light pollution concerns. The movement for darker … Read more

#169 It Might…It Might Not

Sponsored By: Keystone With Al Uszynski 1/11/2021- Lighting Episode 169(Full Version) – Al Uszynski 1:10:37 Al Uszynski returns to the podcast to discuss the 11.5 Predictions for 2021 article that ran on his site, Inside.Lighting. Spinning off from those predictions we discussed: ● Dark skies ● Dynamic lighting in the workplace ● The speed of … Read more

#146 Business Dynamics: Acquisitions, Agents & DLC

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Sponsored By: Satco With Al Uszynski 8/3/20 – Lighting Episode 146(Full Version) – Al Uszynski 35:17 Al Uszynski returns as a podcast guest to speak about his perspective on and his personal history in the lighting industry. Launching Inside.Lighting to keep track of rep agencies, but ended up writing news to keep the site relevant. … Read more